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Another facet in why Norway invaded

Post  Black Hornet on Mon 23 May 2011 - 4:23

also mentions the often overlooked raw materials from Scandinavia and the Baltic states being trans-shipped to the UK by way of Norway in the early months of the war.

http://stonebooks.com/archives/010305.shtml

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Post  SecondFront on Tue 13 Sep 2011 - 3:17

Hardly overlooked at all - the vast majority of books on WESERUBUNG in English mention that the British were shipping three ore carriers full of Swedish iron ore out of Narvik weekly; East Coast ironsmelting was predicated on the ore smelted NOT requiring sintering before smelting...and the cutting-off of Swedish supplies meant that sinter beds had to be built during the war.

The reason for mining the Norwegian Leads against German u-boats was the uboats' depredations on these ore carriers...

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Post  Black Hornet on Tue 13 Sep 2011 - 22:27

No the vast majority mention German interests in ore there by & large as being the reason for its being attacked-occupied. less mention is made of shipments to UK.

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Post  SecondFront on Tue 13 Sep 2011 - 22:46

Let's see...

Does TK Derry's Official History of the campaign mention it? Yes...

Does Kersaudy's "Norway 1940" mention it? Yes...

Does Johan Waage's "The Narvik Campaign" mention it? Yes....

Does Postan's "British War Production" mention it? Yes...

German ore supplies were the point of the attack and occupation - but the mining of the Leads was because German U-boats were lurking outside Norway's Three Mile Limit there and sinking British ore carriers as they emerged from the Vestfjord beginning in February.

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Post  Black Hornet on Tue 13 Sep 2011 - 22:51

So what, hunderds of other mostly focus on german ore interest there. Another point slotted.

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Post  SecondFront on Tue 13 Sep 2011 - 23:26

hunderds of other mostly focus on german ore interest there

Really??? There are "hunderds" of other histories of the Norwegian campaign in English? That's a suprise...

Start listing them then - you need a hundred, remember? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil






(what a ridiculous claim...)

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Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 0:07

Not books, sites. Please no more ridiculous claims, my sides are starting to hurt from laughter.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 0:45

No - BOOKS. I posted up THIS -

...the vast majority of books on WESERUBUNG in English mention that the British were shipping three ore carriers full of Swedish iron ore out of Narvik weekly

YOU replied -

No the vast majority mention German interests in ore there by & large as being the reason for its being attacked-occupied. less mention is made of shipments to UK

THEN claimed -

hunderds of other mostly focus on german ore interest there

Come on - prove me wrong instead of spouting ridiculous claims. YOU said "NO" when *I* said that the vast majority of books on WESERUBUNG in English mention that the British were shipping three ore carriers full of Swedish iron ore out of Narvik weekly.

So prove that "no".

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Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 1:00

I already did, why do you insist on repeated defeats? Articles, hence authors comments from said articles, hundreds of em. End of defeat.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 1:11

No, the criteria you were challenged on is

...books on WESERUBUNG in English...

...and you said there were "hunderds" Rolling Eyes

Go for it, come on...

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Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 1:44

No, the criteria of relevance was articles-references, what you infer or challenge on "after the fact" is irrelevent.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 2:01

No, the criteria of relevance was articles-references

Have you actually READ what you posted in the first post of this thread?

A reference to a BOOK!

Claasen, Adam R. A. Hitler's Northern War: The Luftwaffe's Ill-Fated Campaign, 1940-1945. Lawrence, KS: University Press of Kansas, 2001

But you've been challenged on the statement you extracted from it...

also mentions the often overlooked raw materials from Scandinavia and the Baltic states being trans-shipped to the UK by way of Norway in the early months of the war.

And you've been shown that this is wrong. it is NOT "often overlooked". You can wriggle all you like, but once again you've been put to the challenge and instead of fronting up proof of your claim, you're consistently refusing.

Without you bringing forward evidence as challenged, anyone reading this thread would have to assume you can't.



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Re: Another facet in why Norway invaded

Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 2:11

Right, 1st post, 3rd post, the one of specifics doesn't specifically point to a book. Slotted again.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 3:10

Nope.

You're forgetting *I* then made the statement regarding BOOKS on Weserubung IN ENGLISH....and you contracted THAT statement.

THAT'S the contradiction I want you to prove or retract.

So where's your proof? Where's the BOOKS IN ENGLISH that don't talk about British supplies of ore via Narvik? Stop wriggling and either provide the proof of THAT contradiction by you, or retract it.

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Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 3:21

No I referenced not in contration to your book reference, rather specifically in reference to articles, not in contraction to you reference.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 3:27

No I referenced not in contration to your book reference, rather specifically in reference to articles, not in contraction to you reference..

Doesn't wash at all, you made a DIRECT answer to what I said in the immediately following post. So now, like on any good forum, you need to prove what you said.

Hey, don't sweat it, I KNOW why you're wriggling; I KNOW you can't provide any....let alone "hunderds"

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Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 3:30

Doesn't wash at all that a specific reference to hundreds of articles whether prior to or following a post about a book makes it specified to said book post. Gibberish nonsense.

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Post  SecondFront on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 3:55

I made a point, you answered it saying I was wrong. Now PROVE it. That's "all" you have to do...

The more you wriggle, the more I KNOW you can't...

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Re: Another facet in why Norway invaded

Post  Black Hornet on Wed 14 Sep 2011 - 7:07

Already did, have no need to repeat it.

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Re: Another facet in why Norway invaded

Post  Bjørn on Sat 17 Sep 2011 - 3:58

Hello!

This thread does not seem to lead anywhere at all, does it?

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